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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:54 pm 
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I would agree.....so why don't you state what major companies and municipalities. I have no concrete evidence either way and I am looking to find out. I have asked for project names, locations, photos, etc.....and it is all the same thing over and over. I would like nothing more than to hear some success stories!


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:32 pm 
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I do know of Eric Aronson and Permapave, we are currently in Court with him in Nassau County, NY. and have a judgement against him, Permapave, and Lumicoat in excess of three hundred thousand dollars; with other causes of action still pending..

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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:17 am 
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In the event there is a lawsuit pending in Nassua County, there is no record of it. There is a legal website you can join that will tell you the status of any pending litigation. I am an investor of Eric's and I am just trying to be hopeful in regards to the out come of all of this. I have a real problem when I am given post dated checks and then stop pays are put on them. It makes it hard to pay my American Express bill let alone take my kids on vacation. I am sure he takes his kids on vacation. Permapave is truly an incredible product and the up side is huge. I have seen it installed and it looks and works fantastic but no one seems to be able to locate the 19+ containers that were ordered and paid for in August.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:35 am 
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Once again i have to observe and now post because ONCE AGAIN the inaccuracies are out there and if I do not try and protect my investments, certainly people on this blog will not. I happened to go to see my friend asking him certain questions about what is happening with the company. trying to get a REAL answer...... not some gossip. I find out a few things. First, they were just finishing the Citifield Installation ( the new Shea stadium) Real shady???. Second, the lawsuit that was posted the other day is from a successful pool guy in the hamptons and his partner who tried stealing Perma from Eric and Vincent a year and a half ago. they "invested" money into the company in a down payment to be partners under something called a "non binding" letter of intent, and they said they would do all of this and invest all of that and at the end of the day.......they went to court and the judge sided with Perma!!!!!! the judge said that they were crazy in there lawsuit and basically threw them out of court. My connect said that Perma still owes them the money but they are on appeal or something like that. I am asking if he can get me a copy of transcript and if I do, I will post if I can. I really do not understand the sense of the blog when I will reiterate that from what i understand, this blog is for victims who have suffered so others would not be hurt by scammers. I am no fan of Eric's but.... he has continuously sent out the interest payments, the company has 3 plants up and running and another 4 coming (thats what the company said), is doing job after job, signed national distribution deals all in a screwed up economy.......from what i understand he tells everyone about his past and what he has done. ( i knew prior to me getting involved and seems that he is the last person to afford to screw up), and the kicker is that as of April 1, I understand ( not verified yet ) that they have independent auditors auditing them now for some type of accqusition and Eric has stepped down from the running the company and they hired some 500 million dollar guy to take over with a CFO and all. I was told that Eric will do sales and marketing and that was it. his compensation would be based on performance of the company or the sale of it. There is so much hatred and disgust for Eric that it seems that all of you who bash are on the wrong side of what this website is trying to accomplish and what we as investors are trying to see happen...... either make a profit or get our money back. The guy does have a wife and a few kids and it seems that no one takes that in to consideration besides the fact that if this lynchmob sets out and accomplishes what it intends to do ( it is clearly obvious that they want Erics head) what do we receive? Glory? Satisfaction? i would rather let the company do what is doing and get Eric away from the company and see if there is a payday here instead of this "justice crusade" leaving a wake of nothing but loss. 4 words..... Madoff and Agape victims? what did or will they receive?????? if anyone wants to go off line and discuss and share notes, i am all for it. let me know.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:17 pm 
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I have to agree with desktop123. There are people out there that all they want to do is bash and beat up Eric. I have money involved here and I really find it absurd that all people are doing on this site are looking for blood rather than uncover a scam. I have loaned money to PPI for the purchase of "containers" from Eric a year ago. I have received over 60 percent of my money back, not profit but my initial money that i gave to the company. I do not know about all the people on this site, but i can tell you that i did a little more work on due diligence than others i guess because i received confirmation of the money going to Australia.... (provided me a copy of the wire), I asked for and received something call a bill of lading showing the product on the ship and not only that, i had a family member in Australia who was 30 minutes away from the plant where the pavers were being made and he spoke to the owner of the plant who appreciated Eric as a business person for keeping them as busy as they are. Maybe since i have not enough skin in the game anymore, i am not as hard on him or the company as others but i can tell you from first hand experience that i do not believe there to be a scam here. I think that Eric is trying to do his best and make the company as successful as he can to prove all the people that declare him wrong, wrong. I think there are 2 sides to the story on this one.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:11 am 
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Link to court document removed due to content of personal information - admin


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:01 pm 
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The "container sales" seem to be lucrative for Eric. Eric takes the money and the containers never show up. Bill of lading? Wire confirmations? That's if you can get him to call you back or take your call. At this point, we have 18+ containers that no one in Eric's office seems to know the location of. This is not about bashing Eric, this is about ethical behavior and doing what you say your going to do. Money was wired to Eric in Aug. 2008 for containers.... Oh, wait, he gave us post dated checks that when we deposited them they were STOP PAID.
Did he call us and have the decency to tell us he did this, NO! You be the judge.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:51 pm 
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I realize that whether Eric is on the up and up may be important, but I'm still trying to figure out if the actual product is for real. I have read all of the documentation on the websites but how much of this is actually factual? Are there any individuals that have experience with the product and can say with proof that it performs. I have seen it and the flow through is great, but what about claims of non-clogging, not effected by UV or freeze/thaw? Any help with these questions.......projects, etc. would be helpful. If Eric is dishonest that is bad, but if the product is not legitimate then there really is a big problem.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:45 pm 
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The product is real and works very well. It's in my front yard. All of the developement and testing of Permapave was done at Monash University, Australia, by their scientist.

http://permapavenw.com/clogging%20behav ... ements.pdf

The above link has all the statistical information that backs it up. Any question of legitimacy will be answered by this link. As far as maintenance, with any filter system there will be maintenance but the frequency will be based on the contaminant. It could reasonably be 10 years before you would have to do anything. The maintenance would be in the form of vacuuming.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:15 am 
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How long have you had them installed? Where did the pavers come from....Australia? Anyway you might be able to attach a photo? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get some real world feedback.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:38 pm 
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Does anyone have a link to give information as to what happens if the Permapave product is exposed to long periods of freezing cold? I think that is more important here in the US as opposed to the amount of rainfall in Melborne.

Desktop 123, it's clear you either work for or are being directed what to say by someone who works for Permapave. Presenting yourself as an impartial onlooker is fairly funny. I do agree though that it isn't helpful to create an environment where a potential buyer would shy away from purchasing this company because of all the drama attached to it. The drama could all go away if there were consistant clear answers as well as a sence of trust in the people who have our money. Do I trust Eric, nope! But I have said as much directly to him, and I think he is clear on the fact that my family is really resentful for having to sign a 2 year debenture form when it was intended to be a 1 year investment. If you are looking to start an investment with this company, please look deeply 1st. If you are already invested, I am sooo sorry! But the best we can do now is pray someone comes and buys the company. Lets all keep our eyes on the end...getting away from the stress and drama all of this has caused and not getting our money taken from us. I think everyone should continue an open conversation regarding the potencial descrepencies that we all have noticed, but we should remain civil in the way we present ourselves.

Mich, I think you have about the most valuable information to present, as you were presented the offer through Eric himself, not Vinnie like a lot of us. You were lied to, your money was not returned easily and you have seen friends get taken. I can see why it is tough to have someone like desktop 123 come and tell you things are super duper when you know for a fact that was not the case for you personally.

Bottom line: if you are looking to invest with this company, do your homework 1st. The product itself is cool, but the structure of the business is debatable.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:51 pm 
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I have a copy of the freeze/thaw report which I can fax, if you want. I am also an investor but on a larger level and it has been a nightmare. This blog has purly been my way to vent about Eric and I admit that but the product is real and I look forward to distributing it. The scientist behind Permapave are incredible and have done an outstanding job. They have done every kind of testing imaginable and there is plenty of documentation to back it up.

I agree with you about Desktop123 and it IS funny. I hope everyone who has invested with
Eric gets their money back but I also have to say, if a return sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. I look forward to the future, finding the containers that no one seems to be able to find, getting money back that is owed, and not dealing with Eric anymore. He is not trustworthy but man, he sure can talk the talk!


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:04 am 
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Upon re-reading my post from yesterday, I want to clarify some things that upset a bunch of people. I failed to mention that I am absolutly crazy about the Permapave product. Having 3 children, my thoughts are always on what can we do to help preserve the earth and ensure the next generation has the tools to keep it around for a long time. I went into the investment for this reason, of course along with the intent to make some money. I fully believe this product will help in the fight to save our planet and for that I am very proud to be a part of this. I stand by my suggestion to really research any company you intend to invest in. Having been very "green around the gills" at this investing thing, I went in with not a clue in the world of how it works, not expecting any bumps and thinking all was right in my world. Needless to say, there were bumps in the road and stress levels for all involved were certainly high. I can say that on a personal level I have allowed the skeptical side take over and it's not always directed in a fair manor. I also failed to mention Eric has hired some really great people, mainly his attorney Mr. AArons who is a strong voice of reason and his attention to details are greatly appreciated and Mr. Restivo who is in charge of among many things, Investor relations. I spoke to him at great length the other day and he, in my personal opinion, is doing a stand up job to correct all of the cogs that some of us are upset about. Lastly, I stand by my opinion that we should continue to support each other and if need be, vent, but to do so without going for blood or loosing sight of this endevor we have all gotten into. Lets face it, we have all put ourselves into this and however we personally feel about anyone involved, it is a business and I do believe Eric is heading this company into great places. Having the ability to say one of the largest stores in the country is carring the product is certainly no small feat, so kudos to him for that. I think I'll be very happy to say "I was really wrong" when this is all smoothed out and owe a very big appology (I think I spelled that wrong) to Mr. Eric and his crew.

I would still love to see the info on the freeze points for the product. Also, I am hoping to see one day some information on the light weight concrete that is created out of I believe incinerated garbage or something like that. Clean up the landfills, what a great concept. I am sorry for not being clear on the last post and for posting anything right after I payed my bills. I think my therapist would say that was transference or something like that!


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:11 pm 
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i have to say that i am searching for the words to describe the posts on this website regarding my association with the company. I probably have equal if not more money in this business than most, and I get accused of either being Eric or someone that works for the company. I have shared with you my experiences and ask you to email me off line to compare notes and to discuss and see if I am wrong in my assessments of the company and Eric's intentions, and no one takes me up on the offer. So, am i a fan of Eric and the company or are there people on this blog that are on a mission just to destroy Eric and the company? After talking again TO MY FRIEND WHO WORKS FOR THE COMPANY........ I received more positive news about them tentatively signing a deal with a big box store and completing the installation of the new Shea stadium called Citifield. I received a email with the pictures and they look pretty good. ( Hmmmmmmm....... Since none of the plants were up and running with the quality of pavers that Eric felt comfortable with delivering, i assume the infamous containers finally appeared???????) I also found out that someone who was going to open a plant will no longer do so directly related to this site. They googled Perma and this site came up, they read all of the lovely posts from all of Eric's darling fans and said we will not get involved. KUDOS to all of you who have nothing going on in there lives other than bashing and hurting myself and the others involved from a investment perspective in a company where there are millions of dollars at stake and from what MY FRIEND SAID..... we just lost money on our involvement with the company. I read the link on the website about some of the lawsuits and I have to tell you that in my opinion, even the people that are suing are sort of foolish in a sense since I am sure the company would settle the cases and work something out. Why wouldn't they? It seems the company has great product(s) and is moving in the right direction. it would be foolish not to......... BUT...... people do not like Eric and they are taking it out on the company which in turn will be a direct effect on all of us here. From what has been said on this site and FROM MY FRIEND WHO WORKS FOR THE COMPANY IS TELLING ME, Eric is stepping down and leaving the position of control FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY and that is so the lenders and investors can have a good chance at making money in this deal because his past seems to be hurtful to the company. REAL BAD GUY!!!!!!!!! have to tell you, I hope that the new management can do what Eric seems to have done. Once again and in closing........ They say Beware of a wolf in sheep's clothing......From what i hear and researched about Eric, He wrote a book called DASH telling the world about who and what he is about and what he has done. Can others say they have put themselves out there on front street like he has? Once again, lets make it clear....... i am not looking to throw a parade for him, but i do have to try and stick up for the guy for a few reasons. I will share one. He doesnt even know this, but during Christmas of 07' he took his kids and himself on Christmas day and went to hang out and play and give kids gifts at Winthrop hospital. One of those kids were related to me. i have to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who cares and instills values like that in his own family.

What ever happens, happens. I hope that it works out for the best for all and this will be my last post. If you want to share and compare, email me and i would gladly discuss all of my notes with you.


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 Post subject: Re: perma pave
PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:19 pm 
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Good Evening:

I must say that I'm a little disappointed with some of the "bashing" I've read on this site, but I'll begin with telling you a little about me my story with this company.

Me: I'm an investor with offices in midtown Manhattan, I reside in Manhattan and on the south fork of Long Island, I'm in my upper 30's and look for various opportunities in real estate, merchant banking, deal syndication etc.

First of all this company/opportunity was given to me TODAY at about 11:00AM Eastern time, since that time we have determined the following to be true:

THE GOOD:

1) The product is real, we have had direct contact with one individual that was involved with the testing of the product, this blog actually helped us validate the product.

2) I have a sample in my possession and it looks good, there is no question that there is potential here.

3) There are several factories UP AND RUNNING, this blog mentioned the factory in Arizona, I am familiar with the hedge fund that funded that deal and they ARE HAPPY.

THE BAD:

1) Market Conditions: This is obvious, growth and development has come to a stand still so any product that will be fueled by new construction has issues.

2) Competition: With all of the issues out there the value in being "first to market" could be effected, other similar products (and they are out there) could gain momentum with proper funding and guidence.

THE UGLY:

1) Eric's issues (his past)

2) Issues with Eric and Vincent

3) Pending litigation

I think Its important to separate fact from fiction, there have been several statement that can't be confirmed and several statement that are simply false:

1) FBI investigation, if this is in fact accurate what field office is involved? who is the agent in charge? and how did you come across this information.

2) 50-100% returns: The general population has been conditioned to think that 8% is a good return and it may be depending on the circumstances around it but if you think that 50-100% returns aren't real I suggest you review the Forbes 400 list the overwhelming majority of the people there are quite comfortable with cash on cash returns in the 1000's. I have a great lifestyle that did NOT come from 8% returns.

3) Most don't use there own money the OPM game is everything, so because someone made 60MM in the 90's doesn't mean anything, I don't (usually) put a penny of my own money in my deals for one simple reason, I don't have to.

4) Ponzi Scheme: It's obvious that most people that have posted don't understand what a ponzi scheme is, I would suggest that you do 10 minutes of homework and educate yourself. Madoff has made the term "Ponzi Scheme" fashionable and because of this the term is often used improperly.

5) WHAT IS THE SCAM THAT PEOPLE ARE REPORTING HERE? I cant seem to find a scam and if there is one please post documentation. Scams are crimes has anyone been arrested? The only thing I can say with certainty is that there are "upset" investors, and thats fine (if I lost money I'd be upset too), but I don't see a scam, crime or ponzi

This appears to be an interesting opportunity with a lot of hair on it, in all likelihood my group wont get involved, but I will meet with Eric and give it a shot. There is some advise I'd like to offer to some of the "emotional" authors out there and thats that COOL HEADS PREVAIL.

If anyone has any fact please send me a message and I will reply with my contact information and be happy to assist you in any way possible.

Thanks,

Jon


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