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I hope you can help with this. I would hate to see others get ripped off as I have by Western Union and someone in Italy. Western Union operator 112 told me to place the test question on my wire transfer so that only "I", It was sent in my name, would be able to pick it up the funds and then they gave my money to someone god know who they won't tell me anything.



Bob I am not willing to let this go until WU changes the policy on how money is picked up. The operator where I sent the money from made it clear that I would be the only one allowed access to my fund. They also did not have my sign the terms and conditions portion of the money transfer so I won't be held to their rules and guidelines on arbitration. I intend to get a class action suit together anyone you know that has been hit by WU please have them contact me at jamesstz@hotmail.com. This has been going on for far to many year to let it continue. I will be going back to the branch where I sent the funds from and see it I can get it on tape this time.



Here is my story:



It all started on 6/02/2003 when I placed a bid on E-Bay for a laptop. I received an email from an eBay member on 06/03/2003 who said he could get me a new Gateway 600 XL for $650.00. I had just completed a "buy now" on a 3 month old HP Laptop for a friend for the same price. I thought it would be great to upgrade my laptop and get one for my sister. He asked that I make payment through Western Union, as he was in Italy, and it would get the laptops to me faster. I will include the emails between us so I don't have to write it all in here.



So to make a long story a little shorter, I went to Western Union on 06/05/2003 to transfer the money to myself (Please see emails). I intended to change the receivers name after the laptops were delivered. At Western Union, I asked if there was anyway someone other than me could pick up the funds. The sales rep said no, they would have to have proper ID and that I could place a test question on this wire transfer and if the receiving party did not know the answer they would not be able to pick up the funds. The girl at Western Union wrote the test question on my wire transfer form and said that only I could receive the money but I could call in later and change the receivers name if I needed to. I kept my test question to myself just to be on the safe side.



I replied to the seller on 06/05/2003 letting him know the funds were sent and the MTCN number so he could track the transfer and verify funds made it to Italy. I waited for an email from the seller letting me know the UPS Tracking number so I could track the packages. I also kept an eye on the Western Union website and my money to make sure there was no funny business going on with it. I had been assured by Western Union that all fail safes were in place to protect my money. I thought the receiver would have to have proper ID and know the answer to the Test Question. On June 7, 2003 just before going to bed I checked the Western Union web site and found that my money had been paid out. It was gone and I had never left the state of Texas, made a change to the receiver's name or given out the answer to the test question to anyone, here or abroad. The seller abroad didn't even know I had placed a test question on the wire transfer.



I immediately called Western Union and asked them how they could release my funds to someone other than me, as stated on the Western Union form I used to send the funds. After all I sent the money to myself and I was still in Austin, Texas, nowhere near Italy. I was transferred to the fraud investigation department and spoke to a lady named Angie. She told me that it was my fault that someone other than me picked up the money I sent to myself and Western Union was not responsible for the mistake. I would have to contact my local law enforcement office and they would take care of it. Like the Police officers (in Austin) can go to Italy and track down this guy and get my money back. Angie told me this happened everyday and that the scam artists know Western Union's system and how it works. That's how they get away with it. Angie said I should know better than to send money to myself and Western Union would not be held responsible for my loss.



I have all supported documents that show I sent this money to myself and the request for a test question to be asked to the receiver. I have to admit that I knew there was a chance this guy was not for real but I was assured but Western Union that my money was safe and I alone could change the receiver name or pick up the funds.



Here are the E-mails between me and the seller.



From: robdob2314@yahoo.com

To: jamesstz@hotmail.com

Subject: Question from eBay Member Gateway 600XL

Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:06:59 PDT



To member: jamesstz

From member: hoghead2570



--------------------





Gateway 600XL

Dear Sir or Madam,



My name is Robert Broaddus and I want to make you an offer.



I noticed that you bid on Gateway Laptop

and my offert is about a brand new Gateway 600XL

with the following specs.



Technical Specifications



Processor

Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.4GHz-M



Memory

512MB DDR SDRAM (2-256MB Modules)



Storage3

60GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive



Media Drives

Modular 3.5" Diskette Drive

Modular 24x/10x/24x CDRW and 8x DVD combo



Graphics & Monitor

15.7" SXGA TFT Active Matrix

ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 w/ 64MB DDR video memory



Audio & Speakers

SoundBlaster Pro compatible sound and stereo speakers, internal

microphone, headphone/speaker jack, line-in, line-out, and mic jacks

Speakers not selected



Battery

High-Capacity Lithium Ion Battery with AC pack



Modem

Integrated V.92 56K Modem



Network Adapter

Integrated Intel® PRO 10/100 VE Network Connection

Integrated 802.11b Wireless Networking



Keyboard & Mouse

Full-Sized Keyboard and EZ Pad® Pointing Device



BIOS

Phoenix® NoteBIOS 4.0

512K FLASH ROM

SMBIOS (DMI) 2.3 Support

ACPI 1.0b support

APM 1.2 Support



Memory Slots

User Accessible Memory

Two 200 pin industrial standard DDR-SODIMM sockets

Accepts 2 DDRAM memory modules

DDR-266 support







The unit is BRAND NEW - not refurbished. It comes with all

manufacturer

supplied accessories,

and full manufacturer's warranty.



If you are interested please e-mail me at robdob2314@yahoo.com

to complete the deal.

I would like to get for the machine just $ 650us,

including shipping and insurance.

If you agree I will cover the shipping costs and I

will send the machine via UPS asap.



Please check my feedback to see that the offer is serious.



Please let me know if you agree.



Best regards



--------------------

James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,



Yes, I am interested in the Gateway 600XL But first I need to know if it has

any USB Ports? Also do you take American Express? 650 US dollars sounds

like it to good to be true how do you get them so cheap? Does it come with

an OS or will I have to buy one myself?

Thank you

Jim



Reply



Hello,



The product is brand new and very performant ,in

unopened box,comes up with all accessories and the

machine has a 2 year warranty. It have two USB ports an t will came with windows xp home edition



Now I will make a short preview of my daily activities

and my family status.

My name is Robert Broaddus and I am 44 years old and

I work at a Best Buy similar location in Milano,Italy and

I have 2 girls of 18 and 19 years old both students at

dentar medicine.

But to get to the point, I work at a Best Buy similar

store and I am able to get these items and basically

any other item from best buy for half the price or

sometimes even cheaper.



These itemss are not stolen, they come with the store

receipt and a 2 year warranty. They are Brand New in

the box shippend right to your front door. And if

anything is wrong with it the warranty will cover it

or if you feel like you just dont want it return it

with the receipt.



As a shipping carrier i will use UPS services

because I have worked with them in the past and they

were very fast and secure,and will be insured against damages,

double packed with anti-damage boxes and I will pay 100% for 2-3

days shipping so you can have it within 2-3 days after you make the payment.





The payment it will be done trough Western Union money

transfer because this is the fastest and safest way to

send the money ans also I have to buy the merchandise

first.



I'll wait your email with any questions.



Thank you





James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

Sounds Great!! Can I get two?

Thank You

Jim



Reply





Perfect!! 1300USD for both and I will pay for the shipping.



Ok this is what you have to do:



Here is my address where you must make the payment:



Robert Broaddus

via Elba #16 , 20144 , Milano



Italy





You must send me by WESTERN UNION

wire transfer services (please don't send me money

order home because I get the money in about 1

week).

After you will send the money please send me the sender's name and adress as appears

on the money transfer request and the MTCN wich they

will provide you and also the shipping address where I must send the package





As soon i will receive the

payment confirmation from you by mail I will contact

the carrier and I will send you back the tracking

number of the packadge so you can track on net the

shippment all the way to you.



I want also to do something for me.



When you will go to the westernunion office to wire the mony

sometimews they ask you why are you doing that.(I was never asked)If you will tell them that

they are for something you have bought , i will have to pay when i pick up

the money a very expensive tax for makeing comerce.This is the part

where i lose .I can avoid paying this money by doing this way.

If they ask you that you can tell them that the money are for a

relative.In this case i don't have to pay any taxes.I hope that you will understand me.





Waiting for your answer



Best regards



James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Robert,

Have a problem!!! Ebay sent me this notice and I really want these laptops

but 1300.00USD is a lot of money and I need to know for sure it a real deal.

I need some proof the I will get these items before I will be willing to pay

for them.

Thank You

Jim



Email message from eBay:

Note From Ebay



Dear James Stotz (jamesstz@hotmail.com),



Please be aware that auction:3418126904 -Gateway 450 Series Notebook +

Casual Carrying has been ended early and your bid has been cancelled. Please note

that we have recently ended all listings for the sellermel661as (Please Note not the user name of Robert Broaddus) it appears the account has been compromised and used by an unauthorized third party. The seller's privileges to trade on eBay may be temporarily suspended while we

investigate this matter further.



If this seller contacts you to complete a transaction outside of eBay, we

strongly recommend that you do not because it will not be covered under

eBay's

Fraud Protection Program. If you have already sent payment, we advise you

to

take steps to protect yourself depending on the nature of your payment. For

example, if you paid by personal check, you may stop payment on the check.

If

you paid for this item with a credit card, you should contact your credit

card

company's security department right away to inform them of the potential

problem

with this payment -- most companies provide full protection from loss for

online

purchases in these circumstances. If you have made a payment by money order

or

wire transfer, you may contact that company for further information at

1-800-325-6000 (Western Union), or at 1-800-926-9400 (Money Gram).



We emphasize that there is no definitive information regarding the seller or

their items at this time, and our difficulties in confirming information

about

the seller may be the result of a mistake or misunderstanding.



There are many tips on how to protect yourself with any Internet transaction

on

our help page located at:



http://pages.ebay.com/help/buyerguide/bidding-tips.html



If you have any questions, please reply directly to this email.



Regards,

Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)

eBay Inc



Reply



Hello



I understand you but I assure you that I am a honest man and a serious

person and I don't need any trouble for me and my

familly for any summ of money. The auction that you gave me(#3418126904) is not my auction.My ebay ID is : hoghead2570 .



You have my name and adress and I live in a country

with very hard laws and belive me I don't want to

go to jail .

Please belive me and trust me and we will make the

deal asap.You can check my feedbak on ebay.I am a serious member. I have over 36 transactions on ebay and all ended succesfuly.



All I can do is to go at UPS and start the papers for shipping.I will provide you the tracking number and I will send it to you to see that this deal is verry serious about my deals.

So please provide me the shipping address.

Please make the payment and we will close the deal asap.



Thank you





James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

Ok I'll give you a chance. One of the Laptops is going to a lady I work with

and she is going to Ilaly this summer and she tells me she'll track you down

if anything wrong.

My Shipping address is:





I'll go to Western Union in the morning and get the money off to you.

Thank You

Jim



Reply



Ok ,



Email me when the payment is done.I will start the papers for shipping and all the documents for warranty.The warranty will came on your name :James L. Stotz .



Thank you



Robert Broaddus



James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Robert,

I just don't feel comfortable buy these outside of ebay but it a great deal.

I'll take one and if all goes through. I'll get the other just to be on the

safe side. Six fifty is a lot less to lose than 1300. If the frist come

through with ease, how many can you get? I own a small Computer Support

Company and have 15 people on the road about 24/7 so these would come in

very handy and save me alot. I'll go to westren union today and email the

information to you.

Thank you

Jim



Reply





Hello,





I am sorry if you think that you can lose some money.

Is your choice James.



Regards



James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Robert,

I use to work very closely with Gateway. The company I worked for only used

their computers and I know the company very well. I know a way I will feel

very comfortable in buying them both. You said the you had access to the

computers at work so send me the Serial Numbers and I'll run a check on them

through Gateway they will be able to tell me were they are in the world and

when they were build and so on. It with only take me 10 minutes to verify

these numbers once I have them and I'll send the money that minute. I can

send it on line from my personal account.

Thanks

Jim



Reply



I have acces on them only if i pay for them.

I have another surgestion and I think I can trust in you.



You send the money to another name than mine.YOu can

send the money to your name for example.After that I

check the money and if they are there I will send you

the items.After you get them and you check them you will go

to a western union office and change the receiver name

to my name so that I will be able to pick up the

money.

So I am sure that you are a legitim buyer and you are

sure that I am not able to pick up the money.

If you send the money to your name here in Italy

nobody can pick it up.Or you can send the money to

your father's name or what name you chose.

I am sure that you will be satisfied.



Let me know asap to know what I have to do.



Regards





James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

This I can live with. Ill send the wire transfer today.



James Stotz <jamesstz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

I have sent the money Western Union MTCN #xxx-043-xxxx It's under my name

James Stotz. Thank you for working on this with me and e-mail or call if you

have any questions. My number is (XXX)XXX-1XX3 also please send the UPS

tracking information as soon as you can.

Please send the Laptops to:



Reply



Hello,



OK I will send the packages today.I will reply you asap.



Regards





This is the last I heard from him. I thought, how could he get the money when Western Union assured me no one else would be able to pick up the fund unless they had proper ID and the answer to my test question which I'd not given out to anyone. Boy was that a $1392.00 mistake. The $92.00 is what Western Union Charged me for the wire transfer.





Thank you in advance for anything you can do to prevent this from happening to anyone else.



Sincerely,

James Stotz

Austin, TX USA

damn. i could have fallen for it. the thing that might have stopped me is that warning from ebay, but he did come up with a plan that sounded fool-proof.

if the money was transferred from a credit card, contact the company and tell them the whole story. if it was transferred from a bank acct, contact the bank and do the same.

i can't believe wu told you no one but you could pick that up, and then they paid someone other than you, and they won't accept responsibility. i think they are trying to blow you off, hoping you'll give up. when you don't, they will pay up before going to court. if your bank or credit card company will help, great. if you have to speak to a lawyer, don't settle out of court unless you're reimbursed lawyer fees and you recover the entire amount! really! your case sounds legally cut and dried. i can't see how they can win, but you must not be intimidated, or they will win by keeping it out of court and not paying up. it's just a tactic, i'm sure of it! they will play it out for as long as it takes to break you, or realise you won't go away.

it took me a couple of months to break my bank's resolve when i got scammed, but i got pretty close to recovering the full amount. if i had been quiet and gotten it to court, i could have gotten back all, most likely, plus damages. but i didn't realise how scared they were of going to court, at the time. so i let them know i was seeking council and they broke down before it could get to court. but they fought hard to break me first!

good luck. i'm interested in knowing how this turns out!

You'll have to excuse me if I think that "Guest" is a bogus poster. I've seen that very same post (names and details changed) on other sites before.

Now, that having been said... IF you were truly scammed (yes I am a cynic, but like I said, I've seen that message posted elsewhere,) you were also warned. Ebay sent you an email, stating that the sellers account had been compromised. That should have set off a few red flags.

All in all, if that's all you lost, then you're better off than most people.

Although, my own personal advice? If a person is unwilling to register (not that that would solve the problem entirely) then their posts should be taken with a grain of salt. At the very least, when I was initially posting here, I took the time to put in some kind of name, instead of defaulting to "Guest".

Your resident cynic,

Spawn