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 Post subject: Another Car Scam
PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:44 am 
Here is the first e-mail I received (email: autowheel@wp.pl):

We introduce ourselves as capital placement specialist dealing
with all verious kinds of autos worldwide .Actually we help
individuals and companies in buying both used and brand new
cars.Please one of our client saw your car through the internet
and he contacted us to help him and make enquiry to know the
condition of the car.Please we will like to hear from you so
that in other to contact him, as soon as possible so that he can
know what to do next.Kindly tell us the condition of the car or
if there is any need for repair so that we will know how to
relay to him. Please include the last price and your mode of
payment.Kindly get back to us as soon as possible.Hope to hear
from you soon.
Thanks and God bless you.

Regards.
Harry Mag.


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I then replied and got back the following e-mail (e-mail: autowheel2003@yahoo.com)

Thanks for your mail which you replied back to me ealier and i
really appreciated it so much.I have contacted my client and he
is still interested in buy the car from you.He told me
that he will pay you with excess cheque over the asking price of the car, which you will reduct your money and then send the rest to the shipper for him
to come and ship the car to it destination.Please if the
requirements meet up your demand kindly contact me back and provide me with your information on how to send the cheque to you.So that
you can provide with your name, address and telephone number for him to issue the cheque in your name.Hope to hear from you soon.
Harry.




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I responded with the following and have not heard from him again:

Dear Harry

Thank you for responding. I need some more information before I am comfortable selling to you. Please provide the following information:

- Your company's name and address
- Your company's phone number
- The buyer's name and address (required per California law)

Once I have this information and have been able to check the validity of your company, I will provide you with my address and phone number.

As far as payment, I prefer that the cashier's check be drawn at a bank in the Sacramento, California area. This will allow me to clear the check quickly. If the check is drawn outside of this area, I will not send payment to the shipper or release the vehicle until the check has cleared. This could take 14+ days. I will NOT accept personal or foreign checks.

Thank You!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:10 am 
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You are more ahead of the game than I was.

I think they could get you a check from a Sacramento bank. They got one for me at a bank that is in the same state and about 2 hours away.

-Al


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 Post subject: Yet Another Car Scam
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:29 am 
Here is the first e-mail I received (e-mail armstrong@outblaze.com):

hi am jones am intrested in ur car and i want to know how u accept ur payment.
jones thanx.

Here is my response:

Dear Jones,

I will accept cash, cashier's check or money order. I prefer that the cashier's check or money order be drawn at a bank in the Sacramento,California area. This will allow me to clear the check at the issuing bank. If the check is drawn outside of this area, I will not release the vehicle until the check has fully cleared (been validated by the issuing bank). This could take 14+ days. I will NOT accept personal checks or any type of foreign checks.

Thank You!

This is the response I received (same e-mail):

thanx i will be glad if u can assist me in sending down the remainder on the che ck that will be issue to u to the shiping agent whos handling the shipment if u will assist send down the name of which the check will be written ok.
thanx jones.

This is my response:

Absolutely NOT! I will only accept cashier's checks for the price of the vehicle. I will not take a cashier's check for any amount over the price of the vehicle, regardless of the reason.

He responded with (same e-mail):

y?its because of the shipment if u can assist me in shiping it ok.send ur address n name on which the check be written.
jones.

This is how I responded:

Because there are too many scams involving counterfeit cashier's checks where the other party gets the excess money before the counterfeit check is discovered. There is no way you are going to change my mind on any of my requirements as far as the check is concerned (price of vehicle, drawn locally, vehicle held until check verified by issuing bank branch).

If you are a serious buyer, you should be willing to abide by them. If you are not willing to abide by them do not contact me again. I only do business with serious buyers not potential scammers.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 9:39 am 
I just wrote an e-mail to outblaze.net asking that armstrong@outblaze.net be removed from their service due to abuse of it (attempted scamming).


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 Post subject: CAR SCAM
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:24 pm 
HI,
I WAS CONTACTED BY A RAY WEST ABOUT MY VINTAGE 1971 VW BEETLE I HAD ADVERTISED ON THE INTERNET ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO .HE SUPPOSEDLY WANTED TO BUY MY CAR AND HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN AND WAS IN AFRICA AT THIS TIME. HE SAID HE WOULD SEND ME A CHECK IN U.S. DOLLARS BY A CERTAIN DATE (JUNE 3) AND THEN I COULD RELEASE MY CAR TO HIS TRANSPORT COMPANY SO MY CAR COULD BE SHIPPED OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO AFRICA. THE ORGANIZATION HE SAID HE WORKED FOR WAS "SUBSHARAN AFRICA," WHICH ACTUALLY EXISTS. WELL, THE CHECK CAME BUT I SAID THE CAR WOULD NOT BE RELEASED TILL THE CHECK CLEARED. THE CHECK WAS DEPOSITED ON MONDAY(JUNE 6) AND THE BANK JUST CALLED ME (JUNE 8) SAYING THE CHECK DRAWN ON A BANK IN VIRGINIA WAS COUNTERFIET. I WROTE TO THIS RAY WEST AND TOLD HIM THE CAR WOULD NOT BE RELEASED AND WHY AND I WAS GOING TO RELIST IT AND TO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN
VICKI D.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:35 am 
All I can say to you people . GOOOD JOB . If more people did what you did there would be less people hurting .


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 Post subject: cashier check counterfiet
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:01 pm 
This is sure a BIG wake up Call to me,I am out $2500.00 and I need
help to get it back.Any suggestions would help the Stess??!!

Another Nigerian Scam artist. Tope Smith
please email me at uthemanj@bellsouth.net with any HELP...
Thanks :oops:


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 Post subject: car scammers "Bill Lopez" and "Auto Wheelnet&
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:34 am 
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I'm sorry to say that I have been contacted by a scammer over my Rav4 that I am selling on cars4sale.com. He asked for all the same info as y'alls scammers. I only repeated the basic info that was on the cars4sale ad.
And as soon as I said I would be holding the cashiers check 14 days to clear before signing or doing anything else- he stopped e-mailing. But now he has another guy e-mailing me saying he's the shipping agent.
The sad part is that I wouldn't have thought much of it or been so suspicious if their English wasn't sooooo broken. And if they hadn't used such poor grammar. (What does that say about my naivety?)
So now I'm taking my ad off cars4sale.com. I don't need to keep myself open to more scammers. Sellers beware!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:41 am 
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gotscammed..... I am very sorry to hear what happened to you. I know this is frustrating and hurtful times for you, I can honestly say I know how you feel. There is no chance of seeing your money, I hate to tell you this because I know you would like to see these people caught, unfortunately that will not happen given the current lack of concern within law enforcement and boundary restrictions in dealing with these crimes.

To destress find something that you can focus on that relaxes you: crafts, writing, reading, funny movies etc and when you begin to stress turn to your destressor of choice.

Look within you and realize that these things happen for a reason in our lives, learn the lesson you need to learn from it and do all you can to make sure that this does not happen again.

I learned that it happened to me to give me a purpose that I so badly sought and that was to help people. I never expected it to happen with a lesson in such a horrible way but I chose to turn things around for the good, you can too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:49 am 
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Hilobabe...... when you post future ads for your car state in the ad that you will not sell it to anyone outside of the United States, make it clear that you will not even entertain the thought of an offer from outide of the USA.

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 Post subject: I got another scam e-mail, about my car for sale...
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:26 am 
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I guess I need to get my car off the internet.
Here's the body of the 3rd e-mail I received about my car for sale:

Dear LAURA BOISVERT

Compliment of the Day

How's business with you ?,lt's a great pleasure to hear from you,l got a correspondent from my client about your car,l have forwarded the pictures of the car and your contact informations to my client to prepare your payment,cos my client is seriouly interested in purchasing a car for a Birthday Gift that will take place soon.

Year: 2002
Make: Toyota
Model: RAV4
VIN: JTEHH20V926052564

Engine: 4-Cylinder
Color: Blue (Spectra Blue Mica)
Mileage: 49600
Price: $17300

This my client is owing me the sum of $ in a business we have just concluded ,so he will issue you a US Bank Certified Cheque for the sum of of which is for the car.For the shippment and other safety of the car,he's trust you to kindly send the remaining balance to the shipping agent who will come over to your location for the inspection and pre-shippment of the car ASAP.

l hope to hear from you soonest.

Best Regards
Thanks,God Bless and Have a Wonderful Day






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 Post subject: Another twist
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:04 pm 
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I recently listed a car for sale on several internet sites including Autotrader. I got the somewhat obvious scam about out of US buyer with cashiers check for amount over price of the car, send me check for difference, etc.

Good news is I am in computer security for a large corporation and I immediately suspected it as a scam, so it did not go very far.

Now the bad news and twist. A young gentleman contacted me in person. We went through the VERY TYPICAL car buying interaction - how much will you take, showed up in person, test drive, want to look at another car before I decide, will you take a cashiers check, .... I said yes but insisted that he provide drivers license with picture. He showed up with a cashiers check from "Bank of America" and a very legitimate looking WA drivers license. Being the suspicious sort I looked at both very carefully and copied all information off of the license. I then signed the car over to him, gave him the keys and we shook hands.

Over a WEEK later I noticed the balance in my bank account seemed short and contacted the bank. "Oh, yes. Your deposit of $8000 was a counterfeit check and was reversed a week ago". Still have not received any "official" notification from the bank.

I reported this to the police immediately (and the insurance company, and district attorney). Now 1 week later and the police have not reported the car stolen, they have not even assigned someone to the case yet. The thief has had the car for nearly 3 weeks and no one has done anything, nor is anyone but me looking for him.

So beware, this is not just an Internet problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Another twist
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:44 am 
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Location: Easley, SC
Anything new going on about your situation? We were just scammed this week, althought the bank hasn't caught on. The reason I know this is we still have our vehicle. The buyers wanted us to move our vehicle to another location and l told my husband no way. They can pick it up here with us taking pics, etc. They could also sign a release form. Once my husband wired the excess money to the so-called skid-truck company, there's been no further contact from them.


mcb0213 wrote:
I recently listed a car for sale on several internet sites including Autotrader. I got the somewhat obvious scam about out of US buyer with cashiers check for amount over price of the car, send me check for difference, etc.

Good news is I am in computer security for a large corporation and I immediately suspected it as a scam, so it did not go very far.

Now the bad news and twist. A young gentleman contacted me in person. We went through the VERY TYPICAL car buying interaction - how much will you take, showed up in person, test drive, want to look at another car before I decide, will you take a cashiers check, .... I said yes but insisted that he provide drivers license with picture. He showed up with a cashiers check from "Bank of America" and a very legitimate looking WA drivers license. Being the suspicious sort I looked at both very carefully and copied all information off of the license. I then signed the car over to him, gave him the keys and we shook hands.

Over a WEEK later I noticed the balance in my bank account seemed short and contacted the bank. "Oh, yes. Your deposit of $8000 was a counterfeit check and was reversed a week ago". Still have not received any "official" notification from the bank.

I reported this to the police immediately (and the insurance company, and district attorney). Now 1 week later and the police have not reported the car stolen, they have not even assigned someone to the case yet. The thief has had the car for nearly 3 weeks and no one has done anything, nor is anyone but me looking for him.

So beware, this is not just an Internet problem.


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 Post subject: End of the Story
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:13 pm 
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The end of the "Another Twist" story. After a couple of weeks I was contacted by a detective about my car. He had been on vacation and this issue is SO common the case was just added to the pile on his desk awaiting his return. He immediately reported the car as stolen.

In the meantime I had reported the incident to my insurance company, not expecting anything to come of it. However, they had already classified the car as stolen and a few days later settled the claim - listing the car as a total loss.

In the end I even felt a bit guilty because the insurance company settled the claim for more than I "sold" the car for. I actually made money on the deal. I suggested settling for the amount of the fraud, but they have a strict process. This turned out well for me, certainly opened my eyes, and eroded a bit of my faith in the human race.

I have never heard another word about the car.


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